Off Topic QOTW (Question of the Week) 2020-04-03

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    I’ve been thinking about all the extra cleaning and emphasis on preventing the spread of germs and wondering about our post-pandemic world:  Do you think we will go back to “normal” or will people continue to be germ-conscious to a greater degree than we had been before Coronavirus? (Will restaurants and stores continue their vigilant cleaning and consciousness of unnecessary human contact with products? Will companies whose employees have been able to work successfully at home continue to allow them to do so?Will this lead to a healthier population in general or will the converse be true because people will have less casual exposure when healthy and therefore fail to build up immunity, leading to greater risk of infections in the future? (Obviously, I know no one here is omniscient, but many people are better at thinking through many steps and outcomes ahead than I; for this reason, I never learned to play chess!) I think about this kind of thing because I have always been a bit germophobic. If I buy something toilet-related, I treat it as already contaminated, because I figure people in the factory might think, “oh well, it’s just going to be in a bathroom anyway; no need to worry about getting my germs [from having gone to the bathroom, or coughed, or whatever] on it.” And have you ever noticed all the people who leave the bathroom without washing their hands? Think of all the stuff they touch! But now, (presumably) hardly anyone goes without washing their hands. Anyway, it’s my weird wondering that I don’t really have any where else to wonder.

    Oh, I also wonder how the sex industry is changing (or if it is) because of this? Do you think people are having less paid/casual/random hook-up sex? Have porn movie studios shut down because of shelter in place orders and so their “performers” can keep 6 feet of distance between each other? I haven’t seen any news reports on that…[ETA: If so, that can only be a good thing!!]

    On a side note:  I miss this board!! I’ve been busy sewing masks for the nursing home my SIL directs and working on a long-overdue purge and reorganization of my matchbook-sized kitchen to make cooking easier and more appealing. I’ll be back and catch up on all those questions I’ve missed ASAP!!

    Under the stars Asked on April 3, 2020 in None of The Above.
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      I don’t know what I think, but I sure hope it goes somewhat back to how it was. I don’t like the fear and suspicion that is rampant. Some care and some don’t.

      I always thought public restooms are pretty gross. I also don’t like employees handling money, and then food, without washing or gloves. So if that changes for the better, than great.

      I also believe in our day and age, people are so clean that there isn’t enough germ and dirt exposure. A vaccum cleaner salesman once tried to tell us how dirty our house was and imagine raising children in that dirt. I calmly said they had all been raised in it, actually much worse and all survived. (Meaning we had lived in a very old, almost falling apart house, with yucky old carpets.) No asthma either, and the guy was surprised. We had very little sickness, either. I was a super, conscientious mom with making sure our older ones getting baths every single day, except Sunday. I don’t think I skipped a day for 4 years. The next ones came along and I took a break. The youngest sometimes goes awhile without a bath or shower, or forgets to wash her hair. You may all think its gross, but never have any of our children had more gorgeous soft hair. And it smells so nice. And too much work to use any shampoo. So, I wonder if there was something to our forefathers only bathing once a week or less.

      But,how can one sanitize everything if you all at once discover your than 18 month old down on the ground, eating out of the animal dish, because they are pretending to be an a animal? No answers!!

      Under the stars Answered on April 3, 2020.
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        Hi, all.  I’m sorry I’ve been MIA lately.  The site no longer allows me to sign in on a mobile device, and I’ve been busy setting up distance interaction opportunities for both my organizations.  Plus I’ve been keeping my family on track.

        I’ve thought a lot about what effect this will have on us from a historical  context.  The people who came of age during WWI and the Spanish influenza did change – but it was more toward a celebration of life.  Think Harlem Renaissance and the cultural advancements of the Roaring 20s.  The Greatest Generation had a more lasting change toward being grateful for what we have, but they endured entire childhoods in the Great Depression on top of WWII.  And their children rebelled against their thinking because they didn’t experience the same hardships.  Man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward.

        Whether this causes a lasting effect on us will probably be measured by the level of devastation.  There are too many people who do not take this seriously.  And even if we do take it seriously, it’s a different beast if you’ve actually lost someone you love.  For example, I’ve been urging precautions since before my state went on shut down.  I’ve been very careful, and checking our curve numbers nightly.

        But despite the fact that I’ve been home for 3 weeks now, the situation wasn’t real until yesterday, when I learned that a colleague and friend had died of this.   She is now a number on that curve, and my interest in the statistics has become more personal. Will I change?  Yes.  But only because I will now forever think of her any time someone around me is unsanitary or gets too close to me during cold and flu season.  She is a Christian, and I am confident of where she is right now.  But a place at the table will always be missing for her family, and it’s now very hard to watch as others don’t take this seriously.

        So I don’t think our society as a whole will change unless the society as a whole experiences a loss.  That’s horrible to say, but I see the difference in my family after we heard about her death.  And we were taking it seriously before.  My daughter, a high school junior, was experiencing frustration that she can’t be with her friends.  That frustration is gone as she realizes what this beast really is.  She did a lot of growing up yesterday.  And I fear that many of us will experience that. How many of us go through that will determine the impact.

         

        Blanket on a secluded beach! Answered on April 3, 2020.

        So glad to hear from you, DG, and to know that you are still safe! Your contributions here are always greatly valued and were missed in your absence!

        -Scott

        ETA: So sorry for your loss!

        on April 3, 2020.

        I’m so sorry for your loss! And thank you for your comments; you have shared much wisdom.

        on April 5, 2020.
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          If what happened after 9/11 is any indicator of how things may change after this pandemic, the probability is that many will return to normal activity/behavior.  After 9/11 there was a tremendous uptick in attendance at churches.  Within 6 months the numbers were almost back to the same as before  9/11.  Yes, some churches continued to see an increase, but most who came looking for answers left after the initial fear had ebbed away.  Even then there was still a heightened sense of awareness.  I think it will be similar to that with this pandemic.  Many businesses will have a greater awareness and put protocols in place to minimize the spread of germs.  This will continue to reshape how business conducts itself going forward.  If they can show that employees can be just as productive or more so at home as then many brick and mortar buildings may go away or at least be minimized.  People may be more productive at home because they don’t have co-workers stopping by to chat disrupting work flow.  On the other hand, working from home also has disruptions, like folding the pile of laundry or running to the frig for snacks throughout the day (guilty on that one).  Schools may also change as well, as our son is able to do his school work via online teaching and assignment completion.  There will be change for sure once this thing is over, what that will look like isn’t clear.  The way we do church has changed and will continue to change as a result.   God made us to be social people, so I hope we will still invest personal time in the lives of others and not just through some social media platform.  As for the sex industry, I’m not sure they are all that concerned about the affects of social distancing.  Unfortunately, there will always be people who want to be the next porn star.  The industry is all about making money anyway they can and they feed off the lust of others to make a buck.

          I rest confidently in the sovereignty of God who knew all about this and knows what is ahead.  Prov. 3:5-6

          On the floor Answered on April 3, 2020.
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            I think that for the most part,  people will go back to old ways,  and depending on what those are, it can be a good or a bad thing.  As far as fearing the spread of infection,  and all that entails,  I believe that is a fools errand for most of us,  unless businesses remain closed, schools shutter their doors permanently, etc.  We live, work and play in close proximity to others, and when others are exposed to something,  it is a safe assumption that all but the most isolated of us are susceptible to the same things.  I used to think when my son finished school and quit bringing germs home,  there would be fewer colds etc in my home.  It hasn’t proven to be true.  Guys I work with have kids, and the transmission path changes,  but on the whole,  it isn’t interrupted.

            I honestly don’t like the way everyone has reacted to this.  Social distancing is supposed to be a good thing,  and on the surface, I suppose it is,  but it comes at a cost.  As someone who has remained in the workforce because of my occupation, I have observed how suspiciously people look at each other and treat each other.  Suddenly,  everyone is a potential leper.  Get too close to some people,  and you can almost hear the words “unclean” ringing in their heads, as they pull away.  There has even been violence evoked because of it.

            I don’t know what normal is going to look like after this, but I hope it looks nothing like this.

            On the floor Answered on April 3, 2020.

            I’m sorry you have seen suspicion and violence. In our county, we have not seen that, to my knowledge. I also read an article in the NY Times this morning that had a whole list of good things people were doing to help each other. (I’m not sure where it was or I would link it here.)  I don’t love that we are having to practice social distancing, but I hope you are able to see the silver linings soon. Blessings to you.

            on April 5, 2020.
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              Some people will be more cautious and some will go back to what’s natural for them.

              I have been freed from OCD behavior and thinking, and one way I maintain that us by focusing on how God created us… we have a wonderful God-created immune system. To allow my kids to play at parks and playlands, a common phrase I used was/is, “They are building their immunity.” Just because our technology has advanced for us to see and identify germs, mites and diseases, doesn’t mean they are new.

              On the sex industry, I just read an article that how this could make it worse, sex trafficking specifically. It’s making it easier for them to hide it. I have heard from the very beginning, one major concern is for those who don’t live in safe homes, because now there’s no escape from their abusers…this is for women and children.

              Under the stars Answered on April 3, 2020.

              Oh that is terrible! (the last thing you said) I had not heard that, but it makes sense. Definitely something to pray about!!

              Kudos on overcoming the OCD behavior! I have intermittent success. 😉

              on April 5, 2020.
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                I do not believe that the hundred thousand adolescent and twenty somethings have enacted social distancing in America.  I learned recently that some in my church were still having social lunches up into last week.  No – though I have no inside information other than knowing a sinner is hungry for more sin – the dregs of our society are still practicing their prostitution at all economic levels.  I do know that the film industry is shut down.  Until the fear becomes real and personal there will be no change with the simple requirement of social distancing for most.

                Change, no, those that do not wash their hands, and that would be most, will not change.  And so it will go with so many until fear becomes personal.  I would hope for personal distancing among all.

                I will tell you though that I have always dreaded the flu and have taken to habits that would reduce and eliminate my risks even with shaking numerous hands on Sundays and through the week.  I will only increase my vigilance.

                Blanket on a secluded beach! Answered on April 3, 2020.
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                  I do think our grandchildren will wonder why we always have extra TP in the closet, like we wondered why our grandparents/great grandparents, saved aluminum foil and wouldn’t throw things away. 😆

                  Under the stars Answered on April 3, 2020.

                  My daughter asked me to make her a mask, not because she wants to wear one, but because she wants to be able to show it to her students (as a history teacher) as a souvenir of the great Pandemic of 2020. 😀

                  Also, today I learned there is a word for a scientist who studies ancient poo, and the joking query was raised, what will [that type of scientist] think hundreds of years from now when they study our poo and find all that toilet paper stockpiled away?

                  on April 5, 2020.
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                    Kind of in reply to @slipthegrasp…. it sounds like you want people to be gripped by fear and live in it. Not everyone out there is breaking the “rules” to be rebellious. Some are just living in freedom from fear. This is a prime opportunity for us to hone our faith, our trusting, believing, and reliance “muscle” in our God, SO THAT, we don’t become imprisoned and in bondage to fear….that’s going backwards in a believer’s life. I absolutely REFUSE to let fear and anxiety pervade in my life again.

                    I am a rule-follower by nature, so I have no problem following the rules as long as I don’t feel it crosses a certain line. But I am also one who has no fear or problem for standing up for what I believe is right, so if I feel the lines are crossed, I will be one who goes against it. I also am careful at how I look at others and their actions during this. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, no matter what side they fall on…. I tend to want to be more judgemental of those walking in with gloves and masks, but then I realize they may be a high-rish individual.

                    Under the stars Answered on April 3, 2020.

                    My preacher once said that “a sinner takes to sin as a duck takes to water,”  Godly folks like you are going to observe, analyze and institute godly obedience with logical steps that honor and glorify the Lord.  A great part of secular society is likewise going to respond with good logic and reason to do the right things.  But, like the Hebrews in the wilderness who rejected the call to obey, to not make idols, to not mary foreign women, to not work on the Sabbath, to not be unclean and touch those that are clean, to not fear in disbelief – there will be a vast many that cause the whole to suffer.  Add to that the example of those who are warned (Deut. 28:15 to end) to obey or suffer the consequences of their behaviors, (Jer. 25:9-12).

                    Fear is a good thing, it can be the beginning of eternal life, “The fear of the Lord is  clean…in keeping them there is great reward.”, (Ps. 19:9-11).

                    Fear is a good thing as in the fear of a hot stove that will burn is protection for a child.   But too many refuse to believe there is any value in that emotion.

                    on April 4, 2020.

                    Well-stated SC!  You expressed my thoughts on the fear better than I could.  I don’t see you saying that we should not recognize that this is a legitimate illness and practice sensible, logical means to avoid catching and transmitting it like hand washing ,  reasonable social distancing, and testing if a COVID-19 symptom were to appear; but in the end as believers we should do all that and then rest in our God’s goodness and in his sovereignty.   There is a difference in “fear of the Lord” and fear of COVID-19.

                    on April 5, 2020.

                    Agree, JLoyd!

                    on April 5, 2020.
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                      Please remember, everyone, to keep politics or criticisms of government response, etc., out of any coronavirus discussions.  I’ve had to delete one post already, and do not wish to keep having to do that!

                      Thanks!!

                      Dale – TMB Board Czar

                      Fell out of ... Answered on April 3, 2020.

                      My apologies if this topic encourages that type of response. I only meant to discuss what our new normal might be like. I know no one knows, but I like to hear educated guesses and when I see the silver linings in what is happening, it reminds me of the goodness of God. 🙂

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                        I too have wondered what the new normal will be like, post Covid-19. In many instances people are friendlier in the neighborhood as I take my twice a day power walk. I hope that this kindness wilI prevail. I have wondered about our church, which has a lot of hugging people. Will that practice survive along with handshakes?  Will fist bumps be the new normal?

                        I do hear of people stockpiling certain items. Hand sanitizer is a new staple item.  

                        Working from home might continue for certain industries. I also wonder about brick and mortar retail. How will those businesses evolve or survive. Amazon, UPS and FedEx pass thru our neighborhood as if it were the day before Christmas.

                        I wish that I had a large sunny backyard. I would have a large vegetable garden and buy a chest freezer. I learned that from parents who grew up during the Great Depression. 

                        This I do know, He is alive and Easter is coming. My church will celebrate with a drive in service on Easter.

                         

                        Queen bed Answered on April 4, 2020.
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